Dear Tim,
I’m not sure if this relates to the Oldton where you grew up, but there is a 1967 BBC radio programme about traditional English crafts, which contains an interview with the Oldton blacksmith – Mark Clyde. I’m afraid that I haven’t been able to track down a recording of the documentary but I have managed to obtain a transcript.
We’re lucky to have this Oldton reference at all, as it belongs to a collection of recordings that were rescued from being erased: When it was BBC policy to record over old programmes, so as to get multiple use out of one spool of tape, there was a underground network of archivists, working within the organisation, who used to smuggle the tapes out of the studios and store them at their homes for prosperity.
In the mid eighties, a lot of these recordings resurfaced through illicit channels. I recall the Lost Radio stall in Camden market, where you could purchase copies of old BBC broadcasts, that had been dubbed onto cassette. It was a fantastic resource for me during my student days, offering a fascinating glimpse into a vanished way of English life.
The stall has long since gone. (I remember it being raided by police on a number of occasions, although I don’t know if this is the reason for it’s eventual closure. The last time I visited was in 1994 or 1995).
Since then a lot of the salvaged material has re-emerged, in a piecemeal fashion, on the internet. At one point, the BBC we’re quite keen on recovering the archived recordings with the intention of editing them into a radio programme. Unfortunately they could never establish the location of the original tapes.
Anyway, here is the transcript relating to Oldton: An interview conducted by Nathan Immel who went on to host the Talk of the Town national talent show on Radio 2.
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Nathan Immel: “I’m here with Mark Clyde, the Oldton blacksmith, and he’s actually in the middle of making something at the moment so I’ll just stand back a bit. What is it that you’re making?”
(sound of planing in the background.)
Mark Clyde: “It’s the bottom balustrade for the new banisters that will go in the town hall.”
Nathan Immel: “Now some people might wonder what a blacksmith is doing making wooden banisters.”
Mark Clyde: “Well, I’m also the town carpenter which means that I supervise all the woodwork in the civic buildings around Oldton.”
Nathan Immel: “And I understand that you’ve just taken delivery of some trees that have come all the way from China.”
Mark Clyde: “That’s right. Six Cherry Birches, which will be turned into park benches. They’re going to be put out along the rise at Braiken Spur. I have a budget to buy wood every year. This year I’ve ordered trees from China. The Christmas tree, which we’ll be getting in another month or so, is coming from Russia. This piece of timber here is from Brazil. Mainly I import from Europe…”
Nathan Immel: “But nothing from England?”
Mark Clyde: “Sadly I don’t buy a great deal of timber from England because the Barkworm epidemic means that the wood isn’t suitable for carpentry.”
Nathan Immel: “I’ve just noticed. These little things over here on your workbench. What are they?”
Mark Clyde: “These are Oldton peg dolls.”
Nathan Immel: “If I can just explain to our listeners, they’re dolls… made from wooden clothes pegs.”
Mark Clyde: “Yes that’s correct.”
Nathan Immel: “And I’m told that they all have names.”
Mark Clyde: “That’s right. They’re all likenesses of historical characters from Oldton – mostly villains it has to be said. That one that you’ve just picked up is Bloody Daniel Jackson.”
Nathan Immel: “Goodness gracious. He is covered in rather a large quantity of blood. What did he do?”
Mark Clyde:”He was a tailor in Oldton, in the early 18oos, who murdered his wife and his ten children. Traditionally when you make him, you’re supposed to get eleven different people to bleed onto his garments to represent the blood of his eleven victims, but this one’s been decorated using red clothing dye.”
Nathan Immel: “I’ll put him back down because he seems to be bleeding all over my fingers.”
Mark Clyde: “This is Grey Anna our resident Ghost in Oldton; Sage Jack the village idiot, who lived to be 110. This is John Ballard the pirate, who was born in Oldton. What a lot of people don’t know is that he penned the hymn: Lord, guide me to thy blessed shore which is often sung at the funerals of sailors and fishermen.”
Nathan Immel: “Who are these two. Are they…? Yes they are actually bound together.”
Mark Clyde “That’s Jack and Jill. They were a brother and sister who conceived a child. When it was discovered, they were bound together, with their baby in between them, and thrown into the river.”
Nathan Immel: “Can you explain to our listeners a little about the history and the purpose of these dolls?”
Mark Clyde: “The dolls are likenesses of people who actually lived in Oldton and so, in that sense, they’re a visual record of the town’s local history. If you visit the Oldton museum and look at the displays of peg dolls there, you’ll see that they weren’t always made with clothes pegs. They used to be made with small pieces of kindling. This goes back to when effigies of murderers and witches were placed in the middle of a bonfires on Halloween, or on Guy Fawkes night.”
Nathan Immel: “What happened to the dolls who weren’t modelled on murderers or witches? I assume they weren’t all put in the fire.”
Mark Clyde: “No. The good dolls – like Mother Steps here - you’re supposed to keep around the house in drawers or above door frames. To bring good fortune into the home and to keep away evil spirits.”
Nathan Immel: “I suppose no one ever uses them to hang up their laundry.”
Mark Clyde: “Well actually, I can remember my Great Aunt using them to peg up clothes on her washing line. Another thing that is quite common at weddings is for peg doll likenesses of the bride and groom to decorate the cake.”
Nathan Immel: “So would it be fair to say that many residents here in Oldton have at one time or another been the subject of a peg doll?”
Mark Clyde: “Yes, I think it probably would.”
Nathan Immel: “Now I understand that Oldton has a famous doll maker…”
Mark Clyde: “Yes. Well she never lived in Oldton but, a few weeks before she died, Marilyn Monroe sent the local vicar a model of Mary Beer. His wife had sent her the doll, which does look a lot like her - If you look at the one we have here, there is a strong resemblance. Marilyn wrote back asking for instructions on how to make it and, as I said, a few weeks before she died, the doll she had made arrived at the church.”
Nathan Immel: “And that’s in the display at the museum as well?”
Mark Clyde: “Yes. It’s one of the most popular exhibits. We get a lot of American visitors because of it.”
Nathan Immel: “Is this kind of doll making an Oldton pastime or does it take place elsewhere in the country?”
Mark Clyde: “To the best of my knowledge it’s predominantly an Oldton tradition and it’s still very popular today. There’s a book of designs on sale in the church and you can buy bags of materials to make the dolls.”
Nathan Immel: “And how many different designs are there?”
Mark Clyde: “In total there are 74 different designs, but people do come up with their own. The last officially recognised peg doll was this gentleman on the end here: Tommy Lucas, who was awarded the Victoria Cross, but most of them date back at least 100 years.”
The hymn ‘Lord, guide me to thy blessed shore’ plays
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Jonathan Kepple
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